if there is a sub and he has asked or given permission for a force toilet or coerced toilet session and it was necessary and you provided such, do you ever surprise him with some different or more extreme forms of pain or torture he was not expecting? could be burning, hot candle wax that is too hot, branding as a part of the session, somewhat unexpectedly, using the electrical or cattle prod and/or doing so on his cock, bastinado, toe restraints, smothering to going out, scissoring, etc? Or, if you are a sub, what have you experienced that was more extreme or was a surprise to you?