COVID tests pre session

So, apologies if this is too political or controversial.

A couple months ago I had a session scheduled with a Domme I had spoken with many times on NF and had virtual sessions with but had never met live. I really wanted to do a live session with her, so we scheduled something knowing it was about a 3 hour flight for me to get there

I was super excited for the session but the day before I got an email from her with the day of protocol - where to go, etc but it also stated when I arrived we would both take COVID tests and not session if either of us tested negative twice (in case of false positive on the first test)

I had a number of issues with this but was mostly driven by flying in for the session. If I tested positive was I supposed to turn around jump back on a plane knowing I had COVID? Stay in this city until I tested negative? Also, traveling that far knowing not sessioning was a possibility and having no control over it just felt like too big a risk for me to justify going. And I guess in some regards it just felt like a bridge too far for me. I don’t mind providing vac proof, I’ve sessioned in a mask, I saw a Domme who required pre and post showers due to COVID (which I still don’t understand the reasoning for). But for some reason, perhaps the intrusive nature of the test, this just felt like too much for me.

In fairness to this Domme, she did acknowledge that communication could have been better and I should have known the requirement earlier. She also offered some solutions including refunding my deposit which I thought was very kind of her.

Ultimately, I decided not to go and canceled the session. So, I’m curious folks here thoughts on: 1) are other Dommes requiring tests and 2) if sessioning would you agree to it?

That is a tough one. When I travel for a session it is with a vacation or family visits planned around it. To travel for the sole purpose of a session and have it not work work out would suck. Tests can be unreliable on top of it. It is too bad you connected with someone and aren't able to meet up with.

Not session if you both tested negative twice? That makes no sense.

Typo, positive twice

I assumed it was a typo. But, to your original question, why not take the a test the day before or of you board the plane? I could be mistaken but, I'm pretty sure that it takes a few days after contraction for the virus to show up on a test. Unless you were going to make a week out of visiting the area, it could be tough to be 100% guaranteed.

It is neither, the pandemic is a fact.



I would honestly appreciate that.

It would protect my safety, the safety of my friends and family, as well as her own safety.



I don't know what your kinks are, but you are visiting a sex worker to have intense things done to you, maybe even put in you or on you. That doesn't mesh with feeling that a safety test is intrusive. No disrespect and no insult is meant.



Exactly!

You should have known about this upfront.

To her credit she admitted her mistake.




It wasn't just kind, it was the right thing to do given her mistake by not communicating her requirements sooner. It is also good business on her part to refund a deposit for a session canceled for a fair reason.

She deserves credit for that as well.

Sorry about the large amount of disappointment.

My experience is limited to parties and events. They do temp checks at the door at most parties and munches. A few events require a clear covid test that was taken within 48 hours prior. Traveling in might be a gamble. The event would have to be fabulous and offer full refunds before I paid for tickets that required a test after travel.

I’ve done temp checks before sessions and didn’t have an issue with it. I’m not sure if the requirement was a negative test 48 hours in advance how I would have felt, but I probably would have passed on it. I don’t know why testing for sessions is an issue for me but other COVID protocols aren’t. Maybe it’s the absurdity of having to show proof of vaccination AND a negative test. Like if I have to prove via test that I’m negative why does being vaccinated matter? Also not really sure why two months later I’m still thinking about this, lol. Luckily pre session testing for now at least seems to be the exception and not the norm.

There is a saying what you don't know cannot hurt you. This is a situation where what you don't know can not only hurt you, but also many people around you. Your point of view is your own, but it is minoritary, and if you will cite specialists of the same opinion they are in minority too. If you are right you have to put up with an inconvenience. If you are wrong you seriously endanger people.

So while you deserve credit for being sincere you are alienating people.

These convictions of yours is why I could never recommend a mistress to you when you were searching.

I can definitely see why you chose not to travel for this session with it depending on a negative test just prior to the session. Would you have agreed to be tested if it was a local session to where you live?

As for me it would depend on the situation if I would agree to be tested. If it was someone local who I had an already established relationship and submissive feelings for then yes I would. If it was local and someone I was going to see for the first time then maybe. It would depend on how badly I wanted to see them. If I was traveling long distance for the sole purpose of the session then probably no I would not schedule if there was a chance of showing up and not being able to session.

Why would it be a problem for you to do a Rapid Test before a session?

Even though, I, typically, am on the receiving end of the germ warfare in my sessions, it wouldn't be a problem to be screened in that manner. I haven't tested positive 30 or so times I have tested since I had Covid in the middle of last year.

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Like I said it would depend on the situation and circumstances and with my life there are a lot of them. Basically if I am traveling where the only purpose is to session I’m not going to chance being turned away at the door if I happen to test positive. I just wouldn’t travel for that session. Locally I would probably do the rapid test but there’s circumstances where I probably wouldn’t and it’s got more to do with my situation then the Domme’s

This is one of the big risks of scheduling a session that you have to fly to during a time like this. Yes, the Domme should have absolutely told you in advance that you would have to take a rapid test before she would session with you, but I'm not sure why you declined after going through the trouble (and expense) of arranging the trip? How is a test more intrusive than being asked to prove you had some injections? Or being asked to get naked in someone else's shower?



I do not require tests. Mainly because they have been shown to be unreliable. One of Abbott Labs' rapid had shown up to a 75% false negative rate in one study I read. In May of 2021 the FDA issued a warning about this. Taking 2 tests makes more sense but there's still a chance you could have 2 false negatives -- especially if you had not gone through seroconversion.

I just ask my clients that if you're symptomatic you stay home. As I would with any other illness.

If I'm unsure, I just tell them let's wear masks for this one.

Is any of this 100% effective? No, but nothing is -- except not being around other people at all.

The more I think about it, I think perhaps it was more about the uncertainty than the intrusiveness. I honestly don’t know really. Agree on the accuracy issues as well.

The big mistake on her part was not letting you know this well in advance, which it sounds like she owned.

I would have been comfortable with this. In fact, more than comfortable -- I prefer people who are cautious around covid.

That said, I think there are alternative protocols that could have worked for you both. The rapid tests are less sensitive to omicron, so there's likely a few days where you could be infected, and infectious, but test negative on an at-home covid test.

I talked about this with my doctor in detail, and he agreed a protocol like this would be far more safe -- AND give you advance knowledge before you fly. Let's say you are flying on Friday and sessioning on Saturday.

Thursday: get a PCR test at a lab. These tend to be coming back same-day, or next-day at worst these days.

Friday: Fly out if your PCR test is negative

Saturday: session, since your PCR test is negative.

But what if you got infected while flying Friday? There's no evidence that you can be infectious within 24 hours.

Anyway, my doctor gave me the thumbs up on this protocol, and says it is far better than a rapid test since the rapid tests need the infection to progress so far with omicron. In fact, he told me if Thursdays PCR test came back negative, no reason to do a rapid test at all

Good news: this variant is very weak and unless you are high-risk, you are unlikely to have anything more than a few mild symptoms, if any at all.



The problem with the PCR test is that it's also not accurate. The CDC knew they were unreliable from the beginning:

https://www.npr.org/2020/11/06/929078678...eased-it-anyway

In the following study it shows that on day 1 the PCR test has an false-negative rate of 100%, which decreases only to 67% on day 4, and even once *symptomatic* can be incorrect 20-66% of the time.

https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/full/10.7326/M20-1495

And in this meta-analysis (34 studies) from Europe, there was an average false-negative rate of 54%:

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0242958

And this doesn't include anecdotal evidence from many doctors who reported that they had patients symptomatic for COVID receive one or more negative PCR tests. I can add one of my family members to this.

The past summer the CDC told people to stop using them at the end of the year:

https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/..._Testing_1.html

So, if you are thinking that as long as you and your Domme/client have a negative PCR test that you're not infected, that just might not be the case.

Best thing is if you're high-risk, do what you normally do: be very effing careful. If you're not, and are otherwise healthy, take general precautions and you are likely to come out fine.