Which "degree" of submission are you?

A Mistress on Twitter tweeted a link to this article. The link is below, but it has some popups and weird messages, so I have copied the article below.

Here is the link if you care to go to it: http://www.oocities.org/undrcover23/nine/

NINE DEGREES OF SUBMISSION

WHICH ONE ARE YOU?

The Nine Degrees of Submission are important to understand. Like any other relationship, there are boundaries. Think of the straight people you know. Sometimes the man rules the roost. Other times it’s the woman. But most always, one has a little more power than the other. It varies from couple to couple. So why is it that most gay and lesbian men and women expect our relationships to be completely 50/50? No other group is. Naturally, all humans have it programmed in their heads to be either Dominate or submissive on some level or another. Obviously, if you’re reading this, you don’t fall into the vanilla category, but you may not fall into the most extreme one either. I urge to read and understand each level and find where you fit in. Also remember, just because today you fit into say level 3, after proper training you may find you are level 7.


1. THE KINKY SENSUALIST - The kinky sensualist is not a trained sub. There is no servitude, humiliation or giving up control. This level is just “spiced up sensuality”. This is the first step beyond vanilla.


2. PSEUDO SUBMISSIVE NON-SLAVE – The Pseudo Submissive Non-Slave is not even into "playing" slave but into other submissive role-playing such as school teacher scenes, infantilism, "forced" transvestism. Usually into humiliation inter-action to a large degree.

3. PSEUDO-SUBMISSIVE PLAY SLAVE – The Pseudo-Submissive Play Slave likes to play at being a slave; likes to feel subservient; might, in some cases, like to feel one is being "used" to gratify partner. May even really serve the dominant in some ways, but only on the "slave's" own terms. Dictates the interaction to a large
degree.

4. TRUE SUBMISSIVE - NON SLAVE – The True Submissive, Non-Slave really gives up control (though only temporarily and within agreed-upon limits), but gets her/his main satisfaction from aspects of submission, other than serving or being used by the dominant.
Usually turned on by suspense, vulnerability, and/or giving up responsibility. Doesn't dictate the scene except in very general terms, but still seeks mainly his/her own direct pleasure
(rather than getting one's pleasure mainly from pleasing dominant).

5. SUBMISSIVE PLAY SLAVE – The Submissive Play Slave really gives up control (though only temporarily, within limits) and gets main satisfaction from serving dominant – but only for FUN purposes, usually erotic. May or may not be into pain. If so, is turned on by pain indirectly, i.e. enjoys partner's pleasure, on which the
submissive places very few requirements or restrictions.

6. UNCOMMITTED SHORT-TERM BUT MORE THAN PLAY SEMI-SLAVE – This slave
really gives up control (usually within limits). Wants to serve and be enslaved by the dominant; wants to provide practical/non-erotic as well as fun/erotic services; but only when the "slave" is in the mood. May even act as a full-time slave for, say, several days at a time, but is free to quit at any time (or at the end of agreed
upon several days). May or may not have long term relationship. Either way, the "slave" has the final say over when he will serve.

7. PART-TIME CONSENSUAL, BUT REAL SLAVE – This slave has an ongoing
commitment to an owner/slave relationship and regards oneself as the dominant's property at all times. Wants to obey and please dominant in all aspects of life, practical/non-erotic and fun/erotic. Devotes most of time to other commitments (e.g. job, kids) but dominant has first pick of the slave's free time. This is a live-in arrangement.

8. FULL TIME LIVE IN CONSENSUAL SLAVE – Within no more that an few broad limits/requirements, the slave regards himself as existing solely for the Dom's pleasure/well being. Slave expects to be regarded as a prized possession. Not much different from the situation of the traditional housewife, except that within the S/M world the slave's position is more likely to be fully consensual. Within the S/M world, a full time slave "arrangement" is entered into with explicit awareness of the magnitude of power that is being given up, and hence is usually entered into much more carefully, with more
awareness of the possible dangers, and with much clearer and more specific agreements.

9. CONSENSUAL TOTAL SLAVE WITH NO LIMITS – This is a common fantasy ideal. Probably doesn't exist in real life (accept in authoritarian religious cults and other situations where the consent is induced by social or economic pressures, and hence isn't fully consensual). A few SM purists will insist that you aren't really a slave unless
you're willing to do absolutely anything for your Dom, with no limits. This is the most difficult level to achieve, however; it is the most common fantasy. One would be required to cut off contact with his previous live including friends and family.

I would say that most subs I see professionally fall between 1 and 5. 5 is sort of the "sweet spot" for Me. 1s can end up being "kingsters" as I heard MIB refer to them and beyond 6 can be clingy and needy. That's one Woman's opinion. What is yours?

I am at 5 / 6 hoping to move to a 7 level over time. It has taken me years to get to this point Mistress Ayn.

Prior to some helpful and serious discussion i was a flakey 3-4.

i am thinking i am closing in a solid 5 these days, but in the end the final count will be determined by Mistress Ayn.

I read your post on Mistress Genesis' board. I wish you continued success in your journey.

Thanks for this thought provoking post. I think I started at 2, and am closer to 4 now, hoping to get to 6,7,8....be safe in the storms everyone!

I consider myself to be 60% masochist/ 40% submissive (with very little fetish). I cover a spectrum. I can be a 2 or 3 at times but lately a majority of sessions are at the boundary between 4 and 5. I have fantasized at times about experimenting with level 6. Being a masochist a key component to this is giving her the right to administer "no safe word" punishment but purely at her own discretion (which makes it different from a judicial). With the right woman I might have done it. It could be one of those things that after it is over I am glad I did it but am in no hurry to repeat.

I would say a 5 or 6. I am comfortable with that right now.

This is a very important thing to recognize. Thank you!

I would say I am definitely a 6, with some inclination towards moving near 7, but I do not desire to be completely 7. If decimals were allowed, I'd say 6.4 - 6.5.

I am a 6/7. I was involved in a long term Mistress-slave relationship during that time I was a definite 7.

Mistress Ayn,
This is a fascinating topic. I have written here that I been sessioning, off and on, since the early 1970s when I was in college. I'm straight, experimented with certain things just to please the Mistress I was with at the time.

I am not, and will never, do role play sessions involving children, animals, piercing, marking, brown showers etc., heavy pain, etc., etc.

I guess I am a sensualist. I love roleplay and body worship. I try to put myself in the mental position of the Mistress hiring me for a session and - within limits - I have to please her.

I was serving a Mistress, really an athlete/fitness expert in the past decade who is my age (we were in our 50s back then), where I was in such a deep subspace and needed to be with her in our sessions I was too intimidated to ask if I could pleasure myself.

In sessions I have been the center of attention, an exhibitionist or "male stripper" to be ogled and abused. I was a male house slave (not a live in) to clean, give the mistress a bath, etc. I have been taken from behind (but not via a strap-on), made to worship a strap-on, experienced golden showers, served a Mistress who I figured out was transgendered and, when I had a heart to heart discussion about it was asked by her to pleasure her orally. Before I heard what the word "switch" meant in my 40s I had a Mistress in her late 20s who I tied up to start the scene because "Tarzan" (me) would save and free her. By the end of the scene the Mistress was seducing and making Tarzan her slut.

My favorite experiences - apologies now - were the times I was pleasured in ways that were borderline straight. (I did have an affair with a "Mistress" who did escort and massage, but that was personal.)

So, I'm over 60, I've had a ton of experiences, LOVE women. I love strong women - strong mentally, physically, emotionally.
Yes, I am a slut, but Mistress in your rating system, where do I fall?

Hello junglepet,

I would say you are a 2-3. Anyone that wants/needs role play would probably reside there. It's a bit odd to Me that you have held onto that want/need for so many years. There is nothing wrong with that, but in My experience most subs I've seen professionally move beyond that and role plays fall flat as their need for deeper submission grows.

There are a few subs that come to mind that have held onto their specific role play fantasies over the years (and they can go quite deep into submission within their fantasy), but they are rare - like you.

Mistress Ayn,
In short, I agree with you.
In discussions with two or three dominas in the past decade after sessions to discuss what worked, what didn't and what we might try the next time, I mentioned that I did not think I was really submissive. I just love role play. All three seemed to agree.
Thanks for your observations and this post.