Men Watching Pirate Video Sites

There is a difference between a Dom choosing to put out videos for marketing purposes and videos she puts time and money into for sale. My income was cut into probably about 1/8 over pirating. ClubDom and SubbyHubby videos are among the most pirated videos out there. The timing was as good as it could be for me because I was in a position to pretty much retire. But, as a younger lady, that would have made the difference between meeting my mortgage or not. Shame on any man who justifies watching pirate sites. If I were an active Dom, no way would I see anyone who was knowingly watching pirated videos. It would have felt creepy to engage with someone who was okay with someone robbing from me and, well, probably jerking off to it. Maybe I just got lucky but my clients had more class and respect than to find justification in, knowingly, watching pirated videos.

I understand your frustration. The modern world is now completely under the influence of the ww web. Asking today's men not to partake of it's many temptations, is simply unrealistic.

Unfortunately, these are not the men we dominated twenty five years ago.

Yes, sad but true.

Thank you for posting this so I can ask the question I almost did but didn't want to come across badly. Some "pirate sites" do have both premium content and things that seem to be set up and run by the producers of the videos. I understand that what a producer makes from this is likely far less than a direct sale, but I have seen where there are some "free" sites that put up excerpts or edited clips (lower quality or much shorter) that seem to be from the video production company themselves and claim to pay producers for their content based on views.

My question is whether there are sites that are better than others from that perspective and are there any that you specifically know work with producers like ClubDom rather than just making those kinds of claims?

The tube sites, that steal content and dictate how much the people who produced can earn are akin to the mafia. It has hurt everyone. There is not benefit. There is just making ten bucks when you could have made a thousand. Some folks go along with them because they need their ten bucks. But, make no mistake, these people are bad and taking advantage of women in way that makes the stereo typical pimp look like an angel.

I figured it was mostly like that but I didn't know if there were any that were actually doing anything mutually beneficial.

Thanks for the info

Porn hubs puts down draconian rules and gives us crumbs in return if we follow them. Most pirate sites do nothing but laugh all of the way to the bank. The founder of C4S is a very cool man. He asked me to post his phone number for any video producer who would like his advise on how to combat piracy. There is only so much anyone can do but he is there to help the fetish community however he can. His name is Neil. 727-804-3005.

Cheyenne, I have bought quite a few of your hot clips from C4S, my favorite being: Humbling the Balls.
Your sadistic smile...

Unfortunately I haven't bought anything for quite a while, because it gets more and more difficult to buy anonymously.
C4S has been good compared to others in this respect. Many sites have exotic processing locations, so that all one can use is prepaid cards issued in exotic locations. C4S has been accepting OneVanilla cards for a long time, but lately it has been a toss of a coin whether it works.

I have been using pirated content not because I want to steal, but because there are ever bigger hurdles to get non-pireated content. In the adult industry it is often the payment process, and for conventional content you when you pay legally, the content you buy comes with digital rights management restrictions.

On a positive note:
Your post just made me try again at C4S, and it did work!
I am just downloading 10 of your hot clips as I write that!

Thank you. We film a fraction of the volume we once did but we have quite a collection. I will contact my tech support and ask them to get a complimentary user name and password for you. For various reasons our content is more tame now than it once was but it usually a blast on set. We get to work with such cool people. The industry has been hit pretty hard on multiple levels. One of them, as you pointed out, is through the credit card companies.

I think a rough rule of thumb would be that a video up to two minutes is possibly a teaser/trailer to peak your interest. You see one that is six to seven minutes and it’s likely pirated. There was a time where one or two people could scrub the sites and find clearly pirated material. I just checked one “Hawaiian” sounding site and they had links to over 100 Femdom clips from just today (including one 6+ minute Clubfom clip). They do link to both Fred and premium content. They list clips from various sites, I don’t believe they host any content.

Cheyenne, thanks for your kind response.
You do have some of the best content, and I find it actually nice that it is "vintage". (I am close to becoming vintage myself).

Yes all the constrictions put on the industry really suck.
Nothing against constrictions per se, but I definitely prefer the more physical constrictions put on me by a great lady :-)

I equate men who pay for videos without checking to see if it's available for free as people who buy online and order something without searching for a coupon code when there is a coupon code box on the final screen. It's worth looking.

Are you saying it is cool to watch stolen videos? Do you realize this robs the woman who financed them and benefits the pirates? Hopefully, I misunderstood your post.

John,
Have you ever bought a car?
Did you check if you could get a stolen one for less?
Or better yet, why not to steal it yourself?

While we’re at it, does he have a “Black Box” so he doesn’t need to pay Comcast for movie channels?

Yeah, or am I running an extension cord from my neighbor's house?

That I might have done..30 years ago in college.

When I was a kid, my neighbor figured out how to put magnets on the back of his family's cable box so he could watch porn when his parents were at work. I guess males have been stealing porn for years lol. I will say that supporting pirate sites that have caused great harm to the women in this business is shameful. The temptation is understandable. But, it has truly has brought significant damage to some of the ladies in this business, to the benefit of the big money adult industry men behind it. Sites like Porn Hub have literally bullied us with a mafia mentality and cashed in big. If Bolton keep an erection while enjoying free content knowing this...then he's got one heck of a strong willed winky.

Haha. I have bought porn clips. The clips I bought could not be found online. I don't necessarily think people who watch free porn are bad, the real problem lies in the person who originally buys the clip and then uploads it to a site for others to enjoy. I personally would never do that as I'm concerned about piracy laws and two.... I have nothing to gain from it.

ClubDom has been on line for over 20 years. It was one of the first femdom sites on the net. I've been around in this business for a while. We are far past file sharing. The big money adult industry professionals, mostly into straight porn, stopped making the money they once did. So, they got into pirating for big profit. Porn Hub is loaded. They've bought a ton of adult businesses up. There is big money to be made in pirating if you know what you are doing and have serious cash to get started. I easily lose well over a 100k to these guys every year and I'm just one video producer. The markets shift and change. There are numerous reasons for it not to be as lucrative as it once was. But, piracy is the leading reason and outright robbery. Take my word for it or don't but it has caused significant harm to women in this business. Not only that, they are becoming multi millionaires from robbing ladies like me who just want to send their kids to college. I feel badly for the women who weren't in the business early. At least I have one of my ass cheeks left.

I am sorry to hear that. Prior to knowing this, most men would assume we are at a golden age of porn with all the content out there and no viruses if you watch on a MacBook. Plus virtual reality now. Back in 99, I used to use the Sega Dreamcast's webbrowser to go on teenx.com or whitehouse.com. we've cum a long way since then.

Pornhub lacks alot of good content. Xfatnasy.tv seems to have more, but I have noticed some producers have been able to reach out and get videos taken down.

It seems alot like most other things in life... if you're not a big fish with alot of money, you have no pull, sadly.

I think the best thing may be to try to create some niche content and sell custom made clips first to try to recoup a decent amount up front. Some areas where the industry is lacking and men could soon be jacking to are female domination of couples. This is the new niche.

I understand you are coming from a good place but you really don't know what you are talking about, other than from a client's perspective. Porn Hub and many sites will take content down, within 48 hours, if the video producer can find it. The pirates don't make it easy. Instead of calling a mistress by her name, it is "Lady in red latex whips slave." I've spent thousand of dollars on services who remove content but, it is never enough. I did my own DMCA removal for a while. It is like pissing in the wind because there is SO much of it and, it is hidden.

The founder of sites like Porn Hub are multi millionaires by pirating videos from hard working women. It is not excusable. Some of my friends do niche and custom videos. It works for their needs. It wouldn't be worth a lot of people's time though. There isn't enough in it to a put a quality production together. If someone is shooting with a tripod or personal slave...they may pick up enough to pay their electric bill here and there. Even before piracy, it wasn't worth my time to do this. I tried for a while, in the early years...and while the requests were fun...it just wasn't worth setting a day of sessions aside for.

Do what you want. I'm far past being outraged over men who have no problem stealing. But, having lost hundreds of thousands of dollars, over the years, and seeing other people lose the same to big money, pimp like characters, I've no respect for the viewing of pirated videos. Everyone is different, but I could not, in all good conscience, partake in pirated content of any kind, know that it was harming someone.

Well of course my perspective is from a client and porn viewers perspective. I kind of just figured the women in the film appreciated the notoriety/fame that came from men viewing the content.

Those big sites do seem bad. I guess they make their money off all those ads that litter the screen or appear before the film.

Oh my god... At least own your shit

Make the argument that people are self serving and that 99% of people (including all the women making videos) would download and listen to MP3s, make mix tapes, take and keep video tapes/DVDs for their personal use, or look at pictures on tumblr/Pinterest back in the day...

Not, these producers do it just so some random dude can physically see them without any attribution or financial benefit.

LOL. Women do not appreciate "Notoriety" of being jerked off to by some guy who supports a site that stole from her and is getting rich from it. How pathetic do you think the ladies in this business are? "I feel so special! A free loading wanker jerked off to my hard earned content and wealthy, pimps made money from it. Yay me!" Are you serious?!

In all fairness, some of the dommes I have seen in person for sessions were dommes I viewed content beforehand. I saw it like this... if I enjoy jerking off to their videos, I'll probably enjoy a session. If I can't cum, don't session. I saw it more as an ancillary cost of business on their end, similar to free samples at a mall food court or test driving a car.

You are living in your own little world of justification. Doms who have the talent and desire to make it in the session business don't need to bow to piracy and "Auditions." But, if it makes your iron willy happy, that is your choice and conscience. At this point, one more guy disrespecting women in this business doesn't really matter.

Well honestly, the only real thing that fixes this is for no new content to be made and people to realize what happened and come up with a new way. I haven't run out of clips to jerk off to yet, but I have repeated some of them, so I do think you're spot on that not much new stuff is available and I may have to buy from the clip sites soon to keep it new and interesting.

Perhaps a bit tangential to the discussion, but I’ve found lately I’m spending less time on both C4S and the pirate sites and more on Only Fans. I’ve been enjoining OF sites, both kink and vanilla. It’s more personalized, and constantly changing. I also find the IM functionality makes customs much more accessible. It seems like that is the direction the industry is heading. I find the OF content a bit hit or miss, but the same can be said of clips. Overall, seems more aligned with broader consumer trends, IMO as well. Obv, OF content can be pirated as well, but perhaps a bit more of a barrier to piracy then C4S?

I have purchased some OF subscriptions. I just wish the clips were longer. I've had to jerk, get close, then rewind back and hope I can explode

On the flip side, I’ve booked sessions and then purchased a clip or two in anticipation if the session.

I literally just did this a couple weeks ago for the first time. I bought a bucnch of clips the morning of our session. Ironically, she cancelled on me an hour before the session (illness related). Good news is, I love the clips!

What you are missing is that piracy has taken away the budget for the best of the best videos. You will always have the classic, stolen videos from the good ol' days when video producers had budgets to work with. But, you justify your wanking however you do. Iron willie. That is my nicname for your. Any man who can beat his winky to a women he has stolen from has a quite a one eyed partner.

There are men who want 5 minutes and complain when the clip is longer. Then you get men who want an hour. In the day of good budgets, before you guys were provided with a platform to support mafia type robbery, we catered to you. I'm so glad I retired when I did. I couldn't have put up with what the ladies in this day and age do. No way.

The more personalized way of following a specific lady, on line, has become very popular. Good for them. It was an avenue that was not available until recent years. They had to shoot for formal companies and follow the guidelines. It was expensive and time consuming to set up a website. So, it is awesome there are more options for both the ladies and clients. I'm not sure what you mean by a bit more of a barrier to piracy than C4S. Full on videos and clips with professional shooting and everything that goes with it is very different than ladies shooting on their cell phone and bringing a personal touch, without other bells and whistles. They are both hot but different.

I’m going to quote Joe Rogan who once said “you can’t stop the Internet” now of course at the time he was talking about UFC PPV in which fans were able to find live streams of the fights for free. The same thing applies to movies, PPVs and even music still. And now of course porn is no different. I agree with Cheyenne that it must suck to make a video, movie or clip only to see it uploaded everywhere else for free. Heck I wouldn’t be surprised if the website themselves buy the clip once and upload it and make more money on the ads than it cost them to buy.

BTW Cheyenne Clubdom was one of my favorite sites back in the day when you were active then.

I agree. I would never upload a video to those sites and in general, I don't think someone who likes that domme would either. It is likely these big sites that show ads who buy them.

I think we may get to a point where most people shift preference and subscribe to OF accounts, etc. Likely gone are the days of high quality studio productions. We want real session footage with no cutscene before the cum eating.

Just think, Blockbuster and dvds are old. Netflix will be obsolete soon too.

Speculation on my part, but just thinking that since OF is typically shorter format, and daily updates it’s a bit harder to pirate. It’s the personalized experience that makes it appealing, which is harder for someone to steal. I’d also think having your revenue stream based on monthly subscribers creates a bit of competitive insulation, if you will. Also as a subscriber, I get access typically to about 90% of an OF sites content, with C4S, I buy each one. So if I bought your clip on C4S and liked it, I can go on Pornhub, etc and see 10 more for free. With OF, I’d have access to most of your past content already so why look for it elsewhere. Just my thoughts on why it may be a better platform against copyright infringement. I think you’ll see other OF knock off sites that are more kink friendly in the future. I get the sense whoever runs OF likes their porn vanilla.

Thanks for explaining. I understand where you are coming from better now. It is awesome that technology was progressed to the point where it is easy for young ladies in this business to become independent. I applaud them. It would be more difficult, with less incentive to pirate. You make my point in regard to if you like a video on C4S, you can go find them on pirate sites for free. It is nothing short of robbery and complete disrespect to the ladies who produce videos. Most ladies have options other than the FemDom business. Pirates and the men who support them have it made it not worth the investment and challenges to produce videos. I do believe, however, that live sessions will always be lucrative.