Doms who Switch

Last night I had an interesting conversation with a long time friend about his moving his subbie girl in with him. He is more on the submissive side of the play fence than dominant but, he likes it all. I raised the question how it would go for their Master/subbie girl relationship if she saw him switch. In a perfect world, they could have a Dom friend over and top both of them when the mood strikes. But, we were both skeptical if it would change the dynamics of their relationship if she saw him play slave for the evening. What are your thoughts? If you saw your Dom switch, would it put you off?

I have never felt much connection or any connection to any dominant woman before and during a session, I do not think I ever really get into the role of a submissive, rather I just enjoy the activities taking place at the time from a fetish perspective, but...

Yeah, if I saw a woman who I thought was supposed to be dominant, in about 90% of the cases, I would be turned off and would not see them as dominant.

The only exceptions would be someone like Aiden Starr or some top dommes like her who can really pull off that sort of thing and being able to switch gives them credibility or highlights a unique performance ability. In most other settings though, I would just assume that the person is trying to cater to whoever hires them and I wouldn't not find it attractive.

Mistress, your question is another revelation to me that even though I have tons of experience my tastes in session (and I guess the Dominas I've served) have been off the beaten path, no pun intended.

For instance, the first time I became a switch in session was in a role play where "Tarzan" was supposed to save the "Amazon Princess" and by the end of the session he became her addicted male slut. The Mistress, who was in her late 20s, agreed to be tied up (lightly) to begin the session. "Tarzan" unties and saves her and they escape. Sadistic seduction ensues by the time that make camp for the night and at the end the "Princess" was dominant and Tarzan a sub. Something similar happened with a dominant female bodybuilder. "Tarzan" was far more physical with her, and it happened naturally without discussing it first, but by the end the FBB made me her sub.

Both cases were not relationships, but I sessioned with each several times so there was mutual trust and chemistry. Each lady loved the creativity of it, as did I, and the ladies, and myself, ALWAYS knew they were in charge. I was acting.

Over the years, especially in NYC in the '80s & '90s, I always heard and read that new Dominas were trained as subs by veteran Mistresses to understand the dynamics. The stories sounded a bit like urban legends so I'm not sure.

Since I am a Switch it would definitely not put me off.

This is one of those questions where I might not know my true answer unless I see (and feel) it. But my hypothetical answer is that I think seeing her sub to a woman, or both of us subbing together to that woman, might actually be a turn-ON. I think seeing her sub to a man might be tougher.

That said, I have seen pro dommes who switch in the past -- I love doing sessions where I'm dominant the first 15 minutes, and then she "rebels" and takes control. The fact that she's willing to switch, obviously means she's doing it with other clients as well. Don't ask, don't tell, maybe

The Amazon Princess/Tarzan role play sounds like so much fun!!! It also makes me wonder if the switching was in the context of such a scenario that it would not effect the way she looks at her "Daddy." Hmmmm....

Even as a prodom (Now retired) myself, I've always felt weird about women who did anything asked of them, be it in sessions or videos. I did know a few doms who switched now and then because they simply loved everything kink. That was cool. It is hard to describe the difference between pandering to any request, out of desperation and just getting your freak on once in a while, but it was one of those things...you knew it when you saw it.

Cool. It is interesting how some people are strictly femdom and some are just kinky.

Unless cuckolding or bi sexual activity was part of the scene, I can relate to where you are coming from. In all of the years I've had my websites, I've never filmed a couple subbing to a Domintrix. That would be hot. Maybe under the guise of alternative marriage counseling?

Yes! I have a few (too few) clips where the plot is a couple submitting to one mistress. Alternative marriage counseling is one I've seen a few times. Another plot I've seen a few times is that he secretly has a mistress his wife finds out about, the wife decides to confront the mistress, mistress makes both submit. A little more confrontational than alternative marriage counseling, but a little hotter because of it.

I have always fantasized about doing a scene with two women where there's one domme who is dominant over both of us, but both women are dominant over me

"Daddy" hits the nail on the head. The first Mistress was I did this with was in her late 20s, I was in my late 40s, so the age difference was in play. Tarzan is the age of the Princess' father and "Daddy" sent Tarzan to the rescue. The Princess always had a crush on Tarzan, so when they set up camp the Amazon taunts, teases him into submission.

With my role play, and its variations, I always describe it as a "R-rated 1950s B-movie," if there were such things back then. I would also say the whole BDSM experience for me is like Disney World for adults.

I've been lucky to do that a few times, mostly with a Mistress and someone she was training. Usually half the session was the three of us and then the second half the trainee left and the Mistress took over. In one epic session "Tarzan" was used by two experienced dominant women into kink, dressed in leopard print. For me, in all those cases, it was like having too much ice cream. Enjoyable? Sure, but too distracting, almost overwhelming.

Cheyenne,

Generically, my answer is that it wouldn't but in reality it is really all about the dynamics of their relationship and more importantly the mind of the sub herself. This is especially true if the sub is not bisexual but being involved in this triangle means kneeling to another woman.

Personally, as a switch who owns a sub I have some experience with this type of situation. Although my sub has never seen me play as a sub, I have introduced her to a few of my Dommes and even had her do service for them (not kinky play, more using some real-life skills she has). She has seen how they talk to and treat me as well as how I refer to and treat them even in the private conversations between the sub and myself (I admit that I also use this as teaching moments for her so that she learns by example how to act properly in her role). I know that her seeing me actively kneel in play wouldn't affect her view of me in the least as compared to seeing me jump to get them something in the same way she usually does for me.

From the sub side of things, I know that many of my Dommes are switches or subs in their regular life and have even had conversations about ways to interact with their partner. I have had a couple of them actually decide to switch with me during a session (this never works out for me as I always view them as my Domme even if I am momentarily in charge).

In my mind, the transitive property doesn't even apply as the nature of their relationship with someone else has no bearing on my relationship with the person. Just because my Domme chooses to kneel to another person doesn't mean that I automatically do so unless specifically ordered to by my Domme (in which case, I am still serving my Domme's wishes rather than the 2nd person).

The one situation that your friend should definitely negotiate with any Domme he brings in to play with is about his relationship with his sub. Regardless of the Domme's wishes, he must always be in charge of the well-being of his sub and the Domme must bend to his wishes (without penalty) if he ever objects to any instruction she gives. Also, I would add a hard limit to the Domme bringing his sub into play in a manner to help dominate him (it is natural for the Domme to go for the extra humiliation of having his sub spank or beat him during the session but THAT is something that can definitely muck up the dynamics of their relationship).

Finally, I apologize if others have said some of this earlier in the thread. I am responding to the original post and have not read the other replies before posting this answer. Hope it helps some.

That kind of stuff is hot. One of my favorite porn scenes to jerk off to is a dominant woman dominating a couple at the same time. The problem is that there are only about three or so clips out there of this type of content and I think there should be a lot more. I hope this type of scene explodes in popularity because I want new material to view.

Very much. I don't see women who stitch publicly. What they do in the privacy of their own home or dungeon doesn't bother me.

This is great insight and advise! I will pass this along. Thank you so much for sharing this.

While I've always been totally accepting of what other people want to do, it has bothered me to see men top women. I will never forget being at the HellFire Club when a pot belly man who looked like he had no respect for himself was whipping the heck out of a cute young lady. I had to walk away. It was not my business what the two of them enjoyed. It just seemed abusive to me in a way that was uncomfortable. I will say the exception to male top/ fem sub, is when it is benevolent. Two of my long ago friends were such a couple. When they did shows, it was obvious that his goal was to bring her erotic satisfaction. He was protective over her. It was a cool dynamic they had going on. It would still probably blow the fantasy for a lot of men who see the lady of their interest only as a top. But, I respected, that he seemed to be serving her more than the other way around.

I admire people who take or who can take punishment.

Thanks for you input. That is an interesting perspective. Ironically, I spoke with an other friend today who has done a lot of fem/fem videos with her as the submissive. She shot for ClubDom, as a top, recently and had a blast. She had been flirting with going into prodomming for a while and the shoot cemented her decision. She is wondering if people will take her seriously because of her fem/fem sub videos. She is so pretty and kinky that I do not think it will hold her back. Your perspective will be encouraging to her. I will pass it along.

I will try to shoot something like that. The pirate/tube sites really took a chunk out of our shooting budget. In the last 5 or 6 years, pirates have made more money from my content than I have. But, with so many of my friends being home bound right now...and these friends being play partners in real life, I might be able to pull together a pretty cool movie.

I think you can look at a lot of extremely famous "rope bunnies" who now are well known and respected Dommes (I can name at least six off the top of my head... without even thinking hard about it). That doesn't even include Dommes who were "trained" by starting as subs before being allowed to Domme themselves.

I don't want to mention names because some do try to hide that history for the reasons you mention, even if it is not a well founded fear. However, I don't think I have to because a lot of them have shot with Club Dom so you can probably list much more than I can.

So it's bad when I watch content on Xfantasy or Spankbang?

Probably. I haven't heard of those sites. I gave up on fighting the piracy years ago. A lot of the people watching content from pirate sites probably don't even known it was stolen.

I just figured it was a victimless masturbation session when I watched the content and figured most providers would just appreciate someone is watching them in a world where everyone seeks attention and views.

I generally do not pay for BDSM porn. The only content I have infrequently bought are clips from some dommes that I saw in person later because I wanted to see what their attitude was like in their clips.

It is not intentional theft by most viewers. But, video producers have nothing to gain from their content being viewed for free. It has cost most of us a small fortune and put some out of business. Many tube and pirate sites make money through advertisements. Some even have the nerve to set up their own membership areas with the content of other people. It is lousy. I was lucky to get in and make money before the piracy became rampant. But, anyway, I did talk to my production manager today and a few of the beautiful ladies we shoot with. Based on some of the names you've mentioned, you will love the lady who will be the antagonist in the marriage counseling movie. We've also put a call into Tangent for a shoot down the road. Your bringing her up reminded me that it has been too since we've seen her. Everyone loves Tangent. Even off set, she's just an awesome, special person.

The conversations here inspired a few movie ideas. It wasn't my intention to come up with script ideas when opening up this discussion....but the comments here got my wheels turning. :-)

I agree with you. I've seen videos of FBBs that are dominant do videos where they are losing a wrestling match, really taken apart, by another FBB or a guy. Never liked that, never want to see that. The image or aura of those ladies are that they are ALWAYS alpha, so those videos, while kinky for some, goes against their "brand" at least in my eyes.

What is an FBB?

Female bodybuilder. Saw my share, a majority I saw were naturally dominant or dominas. As I told a couple of FBBs, with their physiques, "You don't need equipment. YOU are the equipment." LOL! I was obviously being complimentary. I'm 6' 1" and in my prime, a fit 225 lbs. or so. Some were as tall as me, others a bit shorter. All were as strong, mostly stronger than me. And intimidating.

That sounds awesome. I would probably actually pay for genuine couple domination footage. I am willing to pay a couple hundred for custom videos from a domme who I may want to see in the future through sites like Clips4Sale or IwantClips as it helps foreshadow things to come and could be like my own directed porno to jerk off to. However, I'd encourage them to have the video available for everyone to buy rather than keeping it private for just me.

Of the dommes who post at max or domina, I would not even know where to look to see if they had an alter ego who was in videos as a sub.

If a domme stated or her website that she has been a sub or taken punishment, then my reaction would be to esteem her and to take her more seriously than 50 to 70% of dommes who advertise or have a site.

She would simply need to make clear that she will be in control of the sessions!

There are guys like me who think that getting caned or whipped is good "for you" spiritually, emotionally or mentally.

So, your friend or acquaintance has a leg up.

Most dommes do not survive as dommes more than 18 months. At least, so says one of the best.
They quit, they leave, they have no repeat customers or who knows.

A domme who has been punished has a chance of success.

Ah, thank you for letting me know. I can see the turn the on with fbb or even someone who isn't into weights but is trained in martial arts.

I would agree that a lot of new doms never get a foothold to have a lasting career. It requires devotion and sacrifice. I will let you know how it goes with my young friend. She appears to have everything it takes to make it, especially the enthusiasm.

That is cool. Why have footage on a shelf when other people would enjoy it? You do bring up an interesting topic. Are videos actually a representation of how someone is in session? From my personal experience, I'd say no. My sessions were far different than the persona in a video. To make videos interesting they have to be more action packed and dramatic than what most sessions are. But I do think it is a fun approach to order a custom video and be in a good frame of mind for the session...kind of like foreplay.

Agreed. :-)

I completely agree. I was at a domcon party in a hotel room, several years ago. A "famous" Domme, sky high on coke and booze, allowed a group of Mistresses to beat the immortal shit out of her. She was so marked up, she blubbered about how she could possibly explain the beating to her boyfriend.

Every time I see one of her ads, I think what a fucking fake.

I'm pretty open minded but playing on drugs is not safe for anyone involved.

I completely agree. And drinking is not advisable either. Years ago a Mistress I saw a few times asked/told me to be her cleaning sub one day at her apartment when she was out. Her receptionist was there to instruct me. I cleaned, dusted, vacuumed for a couple of hours. The Mistress returned after what I can only describe as a "liquid lunch." The receptionist gave me a look and I could smell it on the Mistress. The Mistress changed, came in for our role play, and she was a bit sentimental, very "touchy feely," etc. Not bragging but someone else could have taken advantage. After a half hour I politely ended the session. The receptionist showed me to the door and mouthed a thank you.

There has been no change with my male friend who is considering having his female sub move in with him. But, I took some of the ideas and thoughts from this post and scripted into a movie. It is important to work with the interests of the people you are filming with. But, I think it is going to be pretty cool. Thank you to everyone who inspired our filming day. Even if it doesn't come out great, they are all having fun with it.

Mistress, glad we could help. If / when the video gets released please post a link so we can preview and / or buy it.

I personally would never be a slave to a lifestyle domme that switches. Prefer she has track record for being dominant her whole life, much like the girl who first kicked my groin (disposable shorts offered by summer camp staffs) with her bare foot. 1 year later it gave me a major BALLBUSTING fetish. She was student body representative in high school, honors and board member of student union in college, today, co-owner of the summer camp she kicked me at (previous owner retired and her a decent price as she visited almost every year, and nobody wants to live rural), co-owner of a gym and influential in public policy during her day job.

Funny thing about that particular summer camp was, half the girls used threats of kicking groin for theft prevention, touching without permission, who's turn is it for certain leisure activity. The strict face vice-warden who stayed during summer months, act like nothing happened. It was an all-girls boarding school during the school season.

I personally would never be a slave to a lifestyle domme that switches. If she has a track record for being dominant her whole life, much like the girl who first kicked my groin (disposable shorts offered by summer camp staffs) with her bare foot. 1 year later it gave me a major BALLBUSTING fetish. She was student body representative in high school, honors and board member of student union in college, today, co-owner of the summer camp she kicked me at (previous owner retired and her a decent price as she visited almost every year, and nobody wants to live rural), co-owner of a gym and influential in public policy during her day job.

Funny thing about that particular summer camp was, half the girls used threats of kicking groin for theft prevention, touching without permission, who's turn is it for certain leisure activity. The strict face vice-warden who stayed during summer months, act like nothing happened. It was an all-girls boarding school during the school season.

1 year later, right before starting high school. At the same summer camp. I was TOO dirty after playing sports. The vice-warden was the one standing outside the shower stall, while I wash my arms and legs, she said, TAKE A SHOWER WHILE YOU'RE HERE in an authoritative voice. Came off everything and slipped my clothes past underneath the plastic curtain. After shower was off, no towel. She demanded I come out and use the hand-dryers. My clothes was transported to the bench, across the room opposite of the air-dryer. At this point, I already developed a full-blown ballbusting fetish. While drying myself, I accidentally popped a boner, as she stood in front of me. I thought might as well lean my shoulders against the wall to show off, so I did. Spread my legs, hips forward to her swirling my erect shaft/head in circular motion, pointing it at her. Hands behind my back, more I flaunted my erect privates, the more aroused I got, hardest it could be and twitching, no longer swing/swirl easily. I was practically baiting her to kick me. As I move slightly forward, off came her hiking boots (floor bit wet and slippery) and the ball of her foot swung up. She gave a kick deep in my balls, I felt her foot and toes separate them as she lodged up into base of my erection. I was on the floor for 30 minutes. She brought an older girl over to watch me, as both my hands cover my balls. Telling her the effectiveness of kicking my balls as I slowly squirm around the floor, the pain centers around my balls and base of boner, but shot up abdomen and stomach.. The older girl was simply laughing and had her foot top of my body, I was still erect, using her hands to ply my hands off my balls, I got on my stomach, she still plied my hands off and had both balls in one hand while her other hand pushing my hands away, her grip was too tight, I gave up. She was bending and twisting learned in self-defense. I thought, "oh no, not again, not yet, i got more than I sexually desired". I was panting, sweating, drowsy and having a slight tingling headache. I couldn't bend or get on my back, It hurts every time I moved and she could twist them off if i moved the wrong direct. She was tugging/pulling/twisting for my reaction, her sandals came off and bare toes clamped to pull out my half-erect meat from underneath my pelvis/thigh (I was on my stomach) and trample/pressed on it with bottom of her foot. She wasn't squeezing my balls anymore, and I felt something tingle underneath her foot. A FULL ERECTION. She put her other foot on my upper back, as vice-warden left, another girl came in a minute later and saw everything. I begged and begged before she released me. After 15 more minutes, the pain was gone, everyone already left. I had the stiffest erection and masturbating inside the corner stall, I squirted 5 times in. "Let vice-warden clean it an hour later during shower inspection", I thought.

It was a life changing event I do not regret. Throughout my teens, I much fantasized about a true matriarchy land. sexually, BDSM, socially and politically. No switches. I realize fetish originate from younger years and vice-warden ingrained FemDom and BDSM into me, through herself or other girls.

You might want to check your post. Two paragraphs repeat. But, super hot stuff. The personal accounts here are awesome. They keep inspiring new videos. I actually shot one last week that was inspired by this thread. It is tough to find men for ballbusting these days. Many have their own c4s stores and a lot more local options than a few years earlier. But, the settings and stories you describe are super hot. Maybe something for one of the bratty dom video producers? Totally love it. Reminds me of when a friend and I dressed in cheerleading outfits and did a school room scene. Another dom had taken a jab at me for offering "Cheerleading Domination." So, we answered with a photo shoot that was fun as heck. Now, it is quite the trend.

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I stopped watching porn in general. It feels too repetitive with "sameness" and familiarity.




World could use a real drama porn with BDSM elements. "High School cheerleading" could have series of episodes. Interesting daily situations for models to emotionally connect the audience, humanizing them with relatable personality traits.
For a BDSM scene, a boy could be showering inside the girls-shower room and a cheerleader, girls-soccer captain, or female coach catches him and kick him in the balls. Drag him outside, locking him outside the school nude without his clothes, forcing him to walk home nude.

The next episode, the camera would follow his journey home as he runs and hide, dodging onlooker and by-passers, especially the local nun. Of course with suspense, thrill and comedy. Someone reported him, he hears a police-siren. He runs into the woods to hide. He gets lost. Suddenly gets knocked out, waking to a strong, thick and tall female militant, further spotted by a secret cult of female supremacist witches, gets kidnapped, forced to wear a humbler while cleaning the floors on all four limbs. The cheerleaders finds him, begins to girl-bully him. One of the cult member is his teacher.... LOL.. "its late June, you're not going home for the summer"

Next episode, the main group wants him as farm labor and domestic labor in every humiliating form possible while the radical-feminist separatist clique within the cult don't want him and activity tries rid him out, putting his life in danger. Sperm is $15,000 a pop at the fertility clinic, and sperm from younger males promote more healthy babies says science (less birth defects, smarter children, less physical diseases, less mental disorders). Essentially they start a sperm-farm business and begin a kidnapping squad, soon with a dozen of males. The radical-feminist-separatists clique likes the money but reluctant to males occupying their space and begin plotting which male to dispose (Beaten and whipped for open-cut infections during kinky play? Kicked in the balls to death while the slave is tied to a St.Andrew cross? Latter could happen through a heart attack..), it's now up to the main group to whether monitor and regulate the slave pen or let the radicals wreck them. The cheerleaders use the slaves facesitting toys.

Next episode, scene: wood shed. The main male-slave is seemingly exercising.... Humping his hips into a rubber toy, building hip muscles to better pleasure his new slave-owners. A vaginal toy is attached to his mouth as he practice licking while saying emotionally pleasing words... A giant woman takes him outside for his daily farm labor, she attached a rope to his balls so he can't run away.. He realize there are at least 3 giant amazons that easily handle him like a ragdoll and fucktoy. He must survive the summer or "it's death by snu-snu". The day ends with him tied by all four limbs, (against a giant boulder outdoors?, against a wall?, or reverse gloryhole?) given small dose of viagra and enveloped/clenched by a line-up of ladies (remember, "fuck" or "penetrate" come from patriarchal society, it's replaced by envelope, clench or devour)




To be honest, someone might need very perverted investors to fund such a film. I'm sure you could find them in the billionaire population, they love eccentric things.

The best food hits all flavor categories (Sweet, sour, salty, bitter, savory), in proper proportions. I'd small amounts of sweetness and sourness in my steak, but I want lots of it in a dessert.

It's the same with films. Suspense, drama, comedy, thriller, tragedy, action, adventure, etc. All in one film, but proper proportions supporting its main genre.

You can always hire actors from Bangbros, there are few male actors who are actually 18+ but look younger.. Juan El Caballo Loco, Jordi El Nino, Dustin Cage, there's the elusive "josh handjob" nobody really knows how to find..

Plenty of lolita websites exist for decades, all female models are over 18, but certainly look younger. Women in politics for years had protested for policies to ensure age identification, because some of them look 13-14...




Another dom had taken a jab at me for offering "Cheerleading Domination." Don't understand why would people jab another's freedom of choice? Diverse market is a fun market.

Your ideas sound really hot. It would take a bit of time and money to shoot them. A lot of why there is a sameness in fetish porn these days is due to all of the piracy. The tube sites have taken a huge bite out of everyone's profit and, therefore budgets. Pirates make more money off my videos than I do these days. I do like the shower scene you mention and making the young man walk home naked. lol. It would have to be a college setting instead of high school. But, all of it sounds great. Thank you for sharing.

I guess the bit where young man was beaten and humbler'd would be too much for most people .. My mind became numb to normal FemDom, like a drug addict needing higher dosage.

I find most fascinating in BDSM community is, you have skinny-short young woman being beaten harshly at MaleDom events - its regularly part of the game. When a skinny-short young man (18 years old, smooth skin, 120 lb, 5'4) was beaten harshly by a bigger and stronger woman (180 lb, 5'9) at a FemDom event, I saw grimace on few people's faces even as FemDom enthusiasts. I guess people are not used to hearing genuine screams from a male sub. It makes me think women are generally more nurturing than men in all subcultures.. Or maybe criticism to women's sadism is more concerning, preventing the hardened sexual-sadists from expressing herself. in that case, men should never operate a FemDom event. It's the genuine scream from the naked young man that I like to hear.

I found Game of Thrones hotter than regular porn, that's why I suggested real drama with surprising porn elements. It's like a nun swearing, everyone looks. When a feisty trailer park woman swears, nobody cares.

When I watch something with lots of originality, twists and suspense, all future expectation cease to exist and enjoyment goes 100%.. I try to live a zero-expectation life, the food taste better, people makes you less angry, daily activity becomes more joyful by the suspense of "anything could happen" from here on.

Is it possible to film in public places without a permit? I doubt people can always guess the location. I guess you can use CGI while filming front of green screen, like Hollywood (Avid Media Composer software). Or film a location, edit backgrounds with Blender or Adobe Premier Pro, so nobody can accuse you of filming without a permit since the area looks slightly different, street signs changed, extra park bench, trees change, etc. Then use AI software to integrate the lighting and texture of added objects, so it doesn't look edited.

The young man had a safeword, everyone reassured him to use it. His back, butt, and legs were lashed by the dominant. I remember not using mine a few times when younger, half the time it was regretful.