American Bizarre Ladies?

Does America need to start using the term Bizarre Lady?

The designation seems to work well in Germany.

They use both Dominatrix and Bizarre Lady. Differentiating between those who ride the pony, and those who don't.


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The word "mistress" for the uninformed, could mean escort. "Bizarre Lady" for a woman involved in BDSM would seem, well, bizarre to me. A better term in English and the U.S. might be "Domina," hence the name of this site. Just my two cents.

Junglebeast,

I think what you meant and how I am reading what you said are two different things... It seems like you are saying that the term "Domina" means a Pro Domme who also offers sexual services as part of a session (which is what the term "Bizarre Lady" refers to so they can differentiate from just Pro Domme services).

Am I reading that right? Because I don't think that is what you meant at all.

Miss Rose,

I agree with you that it would be great to have a term to use for that kind of differentiation. However, I actually think that the term "Bizarre Lady" is a bastardization based on how it is pronounced... I believe the proper term was originally meant to be "Bazaar Lady".

Bizarre implies strangeness and something being "off" about a person, situation or behavior whereas a "Bazaar” is a marketplace where you have a bit of everything being sold. Based on the negative connotations of the term bizarre, I don't see it ever catching on in the US.

On the other hand, Ramona Ryder is the only Domme I know of who openly advertises and offers these combined services (unless you consider bondassage to be the same thing). She uses the term "kinky amour” to describe it:

https://www.ramonaryder.com/

Personally, I don't like that term either because it puts it way too much in the escort realm. The term "Full Service" might be useful as a term to differentiate the services provided (just like bondassage is). Unfortunately, I don't think that works as a title in the way that Bizarre Lady does so I don't have what I feel is a really good suggestion.

Germany does not criminalize prostitution the way we do here. We will never have any kind of clear cut language under criminalization because using it is too risky.

AspX, thanks for letting me clarify. I think "Domina" should be the term for a pro domme who performs BDSM acts WITHOUT sexual acts. The "Bizarre Ladies" reference really doesn't translate well into English.

As I said earlier, when someone outside the scene hears the term "mistress," that usually means a romantic, sexual relationship, a lot of times involving cash. I hope I cleared that up.

Concur

I always thought that was a strange term for a provider who does domination and who also engages in sexual acts. I figured it was a German or European term. Now it makes sense.

I agree. It would be nice to differentiate. Right now I think the closest we have is kinky escort but you seldom see that term used.

I think you said you spent time in England (I might have that wrong). When I visited there I was told that the word Dominatrix implied full service, where any other term, like Mistress, ProDomme, etc just meant BDSM services only. I found this very confusing.

This whole discussion really illustrates the point that words matter. And even if it is the same language, culture changes the meaning. In the U.S. I always thought that ladies describing themselves as a "Dominatrix," it not only meant BDSM services only, but that her practices were pretty severe. That's why an email and / or a phone conversation is vital to check out compatibility.

Interesting, I've never heard Dominatrix used to denote full service. Our wacky friends in Merrie Olde England, do and say many things peculiarly. That, and their other irritating habits is the reason we through them out!

Being from England I'd say you were wrong about Dominatrix implying full service - I've been on the UK scene for over 20 years and genuinely that is the first time I've heard that so id take it with a pinch of salt

That said we do have some annoying habits and I'm stuck between being a grammar Nazi and a good little shit eater but having thought it through I'm pretty sure you threw us out

Human_toilet, I never said Dominatrix implied Full Service in the UK.

I was in a hurry and made a grammatical error. Contact Admin and recommend that my moderator status be revoked!

I'm a busy woman who takes time from my day to interact on this board. I don't have to, no one pays me.

This type of passive aggressive B.S. is one of the reasons the Hang is so nasty!

First of all, human toilet, I was the one that had the question about the term Dominatrix in England, not Ms. Rose Woods. Second, correcting a Domme on word usage on a Domme board seems petty and passive aggressive. Maybe you should spend your time and energy policing Twitter where many don't seem to know the difference between to, too and two. The ladies here spend considerable time conversing civilly to subs that care to engage civilly in exchanges that are longer than a sound bite. There will be an occasional grammatical error. We don't need a grammar Nazi.

Two things: First is that this board is far and away more civil than MaxFisch during most of its life. (It has improved in recent years I guess, based on its record in the early days.) Second, everyone needs what is known as a copy editor. Social media has made that a quaint term. Even websites of established news outlets need copy editors. We all need to be a bit more understand if someone makes a grammatical mistake or typo. (ESPECIALLY if it is a sub trying to correct a Mistress. LOL!)

I totally disagree. I don't need a copy editor. The microsecond posting becomes more like work than fun I'm gone.

A sub... Correct a Domme?!?

Nah.... Never happen around here... A mean, a sub would have to be a total freakin' idiot to put their ass on the line like that...


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Asp... Total freakin' idiot extraordinairre

I know of a handful of other Dominatrices who offer these services, Myself included.

I prefer to use the term Erotic Domination and it seems to have caught on as the phrase of choice. I am not a kinky escort so don't think that is the same thing at all- not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just a different type of experience. I'm a skilled and sadistic Dominatrix who is always in charge. I also enjoy using My sexuality to control and torment men.

Thanks for jumping in... I actually like your terminology much better.

Hello Princess Poison,

Welcome to the board.



Using our sexuality to control and torment men is the essence of a Dominatrix. That's what we all do. A bizarre lady on the other hand offers oral contact and sometimes full service. Is that what the term "Erotic Domination" implies? Or am I missing something?

I would love for there to be a differentiation between the two but ideally it would be a clear term. Bizarre Lady is so unique that it begs the uninitiated to ask what it means. Erotic Domination sounds no different from Sensual Domination to me and I am not sure the average sub reading it would understand the offering - but like Maya Midnight said, the legalities in this country may always prevent that clarity.

If you feel comfortable elaborating here, please do.

I know it is the overwhelming majority, but it's not just men controlled and tormented by your sexuality. I have been plenty tormented.

Yea...

YEA!!!

Way to go right at Her kneel4Her

I can't believe how incredibly sexist Mistress Ayn is being... She knows She can torment any gender with Her sexuality... men, wonen, other... But, i was too scared to point it out

Glad someone around here has some balls...

Oh real cute Asp. Trying to insinuate i was being disrespectful?? Get me in hot water? It was said with the utmost respect.

i have been doing incredibly well at controlling my smart ass mouth, but believe me, i can still manage to get myself in trouble. *Note to self next week... mute your damn phone before session*




Oh...somehow I doubt that.

Yes, of course you are right that We all use our sexuality. I meant in a more overt manner and I'm trying to tread lightly with what I say here

I'm going to avoid directly answering part of that but I find that most people who browse My site gain an understanding of what Erotic Domination means based on the way I describe it. I think you are right that the term alone is not overly clear, but with time and more widespread use, people will eventually come to understand what it means without explanation. I do think the word "Erotic" carries a slightly different weight than "Sensual". Sensual is a word that for Me, brings thoughts of gentle touch and tenderness. Erotic feels a little more charged. For now, and in this legal climate, I feel Erotic Domination is the clearest term I can use.