What does "forced" intox mean to you?

I see a lot of advertisements and profiles where Femdoms offer "forced" intox. I'm always very unsure what this means. Does it mean alcohol, pot, poppers, something harder? I'm interested in what both Dommes and subs feel "forced" intoxication means to them.

Having been in positions where the intox is actually forced, I have a different perspective than what I think most actual "forced intox” sessions are. In most cases it is actually a coerced activity where the Domme is ordering a sub to injest whatever substance(s) have been negotiated pre-session (even in my forced scenarios, the substances have been pre-negotiated as well as the things that have to be done as part of that).


I have never heard of poppers being considered as a forced intox substance as they are usually their own thing and are done in conjunction with ass play. Alcohol and pot are what have been done with me, but I could see scenarios where a Domme used prescription medications that I have as part of play (in fact, I usually have valium with me when I expect to do hard bondage in case of muscle cramps.. but they have never been used as part of intox).

I also could see, after pre-negotiated consent, a Domme use hallucinogens or other party type illegal drugs (MDMA, cocaine, etc...) as part of a scenario, If the Domme was the type to use them herself so she didn't consider that drug use to be a big deal. In those scenarios, I would expect that the sub would be the one who would have to supply those illegal substances.

Forced intox is not really an hour-long session activity as effects of the intox rarely go away that quickly. Alternative means of transportation from the session needs to be arranged or it has to happen as an outcall. If the sub is truly intoxicated (rather than just a little buzzed) they need to be monitored well after the intoxication to make sure they are ok.

The last thing to consider is that forced intox is serious edge play.. a lot of things can go wrong and it is usually layered with other activities that are also taken further than usual because either your inhibitions or ability to feel pain are lessened. IMO, It is something where the Domme must be sober, trustworthy and have the self-control to ease into it until she knows what your physical limits/reactions are in regards to the substance(s).

I haven't seen it advertised as much by dommes offering real-time sessions. It must be tricky in RT sessions, because who knows how someone behaves when they are drunk? It does come up online, on Niteflirt, etc., often in conjunction with financial domination -- the sub is compelled to drink and pay, with the sub obviously being more willing to pay the more drunk he is.

Asp,

Thanks for the response and personal insight. I think all of the safety precautions you brought up are of course really important considerations. I could only imagine exploring forced intox play of any type with a Domme I have sessioned with frequently and trust completely.

I've just been curious. Does it tend to enhance a sadistic session? I imagine if one gets too intoxicated it would strongly detract from a session. After all, if you're so intoxicated that you're hardly present, why do it in the first place? So I would imagine finding the right balance would be tantamount.

Best,
tab

tab,

It does reduce pain and allow a Domme to go harder than what you might normally take. So, for example, you may have an amazing fantasy about being caned and want the marks afterwards but may have failed to take that level of pain under normal circumstances. If you have been forced to drink alcohol and are buzzed (not falling down drunk) or been made to take pain killers (such as vicodin) then it will allow the Domme to go harder and go past the point where you normally would use a safeword because of the pain but still be totally in the session.

The mindfuck part of it (which is really what good Forced Intox is about IMO), could be Domme telling you that she is forcing you to drink/take pills specifically so that she can turn your ass into a bloody pulp and that you won't be able to sit on for the next week without pain. For humiliation, she could add in comments about how she doesn't have to do this with her better clients but that you are such a wimp that this is the only way she can really have her sadistic fun with you. But, that is all dependent on what gets you excited.

The downside of using it for a sadistic session is that what most people get out of pain is that endorphin rush (which is essentially a drug) that can push into subspace. The endorphin rush isn't triggered by the fact you are getting hit, it is pain response so if you don't have that level of pain you aren't going to get that same release. I can see it for a sadistic session in the way I have mentioned, but I do think it would lose something because of the lesser (or lack of) endorphin release.

To me forced intox is actually best for mindfucks (since you're not all there mentally to discern things as well) and pushing limits since it lowers your inhibitions and allows you to agree to things that when you are perfectly sober you may never agree to (this should also serve as a warning to anyone before they agree to it).

I've always believed "forced" intox is a lot like "forced" ass worship. If I "forced" guys to drink craft beer, while I "forced" them to worship my ass. They'd be lined up all the way from Old Saybrook!

Hahahaha! Exactly. Like "force" me to go to the spa and have a margarita!

*Looking up where Old Saybrook is so I can get near the head of the queue*

I have to admit that for all of my experiences, I have never had either craft beer or intimate ass worship

This is something that never occurred to me being a thing until recently. When I think of it I think first of forced alcohol consumption and then weed. At first thought it didnt appeal to me. The first thing I think about is having a terrible hangover later but then that could be part of it, extending the control of the Domme beyond the session. Especially if she tells you to think of her power over you every minute you regret that hangover.

After reading this thread and some other posts about this it has become more appealing to me. There’s the initial buzz , the lowering of inhibitions, the ability to take more pain and not least the Dommes control over me forcing me to drink or smoke. I’m seriously going to think about doing this with someone I trust although I’m not sure all Dommes would enjoy this play. Obviously I’d have to have other means then driving to the session but that’s doable.

So, I actually don't drink... and the main reason I don't is that I get migraines that are triggered by dehydration, which is exactly what causes hangovers. So, over the years I figured out how to prepare my body (before and after drinking) to avoid them. Therefore, part of the rules I put around any forced intox involving alcohol is that I be allowed to do all of this. Personally, I would definitely never do it if I would end up with a hangover for the next 4 days (which is how long mine can last without preparation).

Could be any of those substances, although personally I find alcohol is kind of the worst one for that type of session. The only time booze really worked out for me the sub was a suuuuuuper lightweight (i.e., got pretty tipsy off half a water bottle's worth of OJ and peach schnapps) and it was a 4 hour long hypno session.

Most of my forced intox guys are into hypno, and the drugs do help them reach that altered state. Forced intox fits very nicely with mind control fantasies, since it's about the dominant taking control over the sub's internal state.

I have one client who love being told what a horny idiot he is and the weed makes him both hornier and dumber, so that works out perfectly for him. Another loves to huff poppers off my pantyhose, literally getting high off my feet.

Some drugs can also enhance your ability to take pain. Poppers relax your asshole, which can help with strap-on. TBH I think some guys just like to party in session and making it part of the play allows them to do so without affecting the dynamic.

Mistress Maya Midnight,

Thanks so much for your perspective on this. I agree that alcohol doesn't seem like it would induce the right mental state for serious play.

I'd love to know which can enhance a subs ability to take pain. I've considered poppers in this category. They seemed to help keep me calm in the face of pain, without blunting the sensation of pain. I wouldn't want anything that actually reduced the intensity of the pain. But a downside is the super short time of effectiveness. Is there anything longer lasting in this category?

With gratitude,
tab

I was never a what you’d call a heavy drinker and nowadays I drink even less to the point where i feel a buzz after 2 drinks I haven’t had a hangover in years but I think at some point I am going to try a forced intox session. Alcohol or weed. I’ll leave it up to the Domme.

Mistress Maya,

Thank you for pointing out something that I really didn't in my replies.

In my experience, alcohol takes a good amount of time to be effective unless you are forced to take it anally (which gets it into the bloodstream almost immediately... and for the same reason can be a safety issue if the Domme uses too much) and it also takes a long time to wear off, so it may not be a great idea for an hour long session. An alcohol enema can truly be a forced act rather than just "ordered" drinking as most intox with alcohol is.

My intox sessions are usually part of being in control of a Domme for days at a time, so they can get me drunk well before we get to the actual things they wish to do to take advantage of my weakened state of body and mind. This allows for that time before/after to not be a problem for me.

LOL!

I agree: anytime the word "forced" is used in a professional setting, it's shorthand for "we're both pretending I'm forcing you to do this".

All of the above, I'm sure, though as others have said some are better than others. I correlate this more with online play as it's less logistics. I have had requests for booze and poppers in person. Poppers are definitely my preference as they don't last as long as the others. I'd take it way more slowly with the others, definitely agree with Maya about the time component, as well as alcohol being the worst. It's certainly the most dangerous!

I had one guy show me everything in the minibar and say he wanted to be "forced" to drink it all. When I asked about his standard drinking habits/threshold/limits, apparently he never drank, like ever. That would not have ended well! I'm all for pushing limits, but dude...

"Forced intox" with poppers is one of my favorites with the right Domme. It blends well with the use of gas masks, breath play and latex which is another of my big joys in sessioning. The advantage of poppers is the quick reaction as well as the quick clear out.

So for me this is best as part of the power exchange. She is using something she is totally in control of to alter my responses. So in the best type of play for me she makes me ride the "popper wave" which can be mild or more intense as she chooses and judges my reaction. She can look me in the eye and remind me I am on the ride for her. The quick in and out of poppers mean this can be done several times and be a great interchange. Also, these groups of waves can be repeated at various times during a session allowing other types of play to be mixed in at her discretion as is always the case in a quality session.

As with any drug this has to be done carefully and should never be overdone. But done right it can add a euphoric feeling that might not be attainable in other ways.

The Domme who really showed me how this could work used to call me the man behind the mask. A man nobody but she really knew in this context as I would not share this aspect of me with my vanilla friends. To me this created a sense of intimacy between us that made our times together really enjoyable.

So as with any type of power exchange the concept of forced intox can be great play if both partners are really into the same basic idea, one from the side of power and giver and the other from the side of being controlled as the receiver