There are two types of canning? who would have believed.. so many choices. You continue to teach me, wise Mistress. I have to agree with pantysult - it scares me too, just the sight of it coming into 'play' so please put me in the same notapainslut class. English would have to be worse - leave it to the brits, just brilliant - having to wait, knowing it's coming (or canning) back just as the pain from the last stroke has reached it zenith. Glad to know You enjoy both, i think...