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#3854 - 07/04/19 11:55 AM Paypal, privacy
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I've noticed a few dommes now asking for deposits to be paid via Paypal, which I always thought was not recommended for adult transactions. (And this is as opposed to the usual and more anonymous Amazon gift card deposit.) Curious everyone's thoughts on this. I don't think there's any way Paypal is anonymous -- which is probably the point for the dommes using it. My Paypal account is often used for business -- it's mostly things I get reimbursed for, so I'm always submitting my statements.

I know anonymity is almost a fiction these days, and I understand why dommes would want to not indulge it... Still, requiring Paypal seems like something new.

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#3855 - 07/04/19 03:19 PM Re: Paypal, privacy [Re: palmer]
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Registered: 06/29/19
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The only way I know to pay anonymously with PayPal is to have the recipient generate a barcode from Her account using the "add cash" option. She then emails the barcode to you and you have one hour to go to a pre-selected retailer (CVS, Walmart, etc) that She has selected. You can go to any location of said retailer, you show the barcode to the cashier, tell them the amount, and pay them in cash. They will scan the barcode and the recipient will get the funds in about 15 minutes. Its anonymous for both sender and recipient as the barcode does not contain any identifying information.

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#3856 - 07/04/19 03:56 PM Re: Paypal, privacy [Re: palmer]
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I've been playing around on seeking arrangements for a while, finding occasional femdom arrangements that way. Overall, in the sugaring community, if you MUST do an electronic payment, Cashapp is king as far as safety and anonymity -- it's the app that's most difficult to reverse transactions on (safer for the woman being paid) and the one with the most anonymity (safer for all concerned). I haven't used it myself, but this might be an area the femdom community can learn from the sugaring community. I googled it quickly and it looks like each party can claim a $cashtag that is an anonymous handle, by which money can be exchanged.

In the sugaring community, the reputation as far as safety and anonymity of payment apps, in order, is:

1. CashApp (best)
2. Venmo
3. Paypal (worst)


Edited by Swordfish (07/04/19 03:57 PM)

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#3860 - 07/05/19 01:45 AM Re: Paypal, privacy [Re: Swordfish]
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Registered: 11/02/15
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Swordfish, most experienced Dommes are aware of all these methods. and many of us have used at least one of them at one point (some still do).

The problem is that using them is a risk. All of them are explicitly against adult transactions -- even if they're legal.

Risks for the Domme:
- The processor discovers what She is doing and Her account is closed and Her funds confiscated (multiple people have reported this with PP)
- A nasty person (client, other Domme, rando) reports Her as engaging in "prostitution" or otherwise selling adult services and that may be all it would take to get Her account closed

And with the way things are going with the War on Sex and Bodily Autonomy, another possible risk is both parties being added to a database of "trafficked/traffickers".

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#3861 - 07/05/19 01:46 AM Re: Paypal, privacy [Re: Swordfish]
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Does CashApp work in the EU? Venmo is not a thing here.
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#3862 - 07/05/19 01:59 AM Re: Paypal, privacy [Re: palmer]
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I use Paypal through my LLC and can send invoices that can be paid like any other online bill. I only take deposits for sessions over 2 hours by new people because deposits here are not really done and I came up in the industry before people took deposits and I am used to it.

I just need an email to send it, and I think I see the name associated with the email, or perhaps the name on the CC (definitely not the cc or anything else.) If you can't trust me with your real name, which I will forget anyway, how can you trust me to bring you to the physical limits of BDSM?

PayPal is super precarious, sure, but I wish everyone would pay with PayPal. It would make my accounting a dream. It goes right into my business bank account and then I can pay myself my salary and get my income on paper. I am trying to buy property and having income on paper is a major hurtle for me.
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#3863 - 07/05/19 04:01 AM Re: Paypal, privacy [Re: Domina M]
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Registered: 10/29/15
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I use Amazon gift cards. They are seamless and pose no id issues.

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#3868 - 07/05/19 10:15 AM Re: Paypal, privacy [Re: Mistress Tissa]
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Registered: 10/31/15
Posts: 127
Loc: California
No disagreement! That's why I explicitly said "if you MUST do an electronic payment" -- I should have added "using an app". Just pointing out that if a mistress is going to use an app, paypal may be the least safe. Point well re-iterated that maybe app-based transactions aren't a great idea in the first place

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#3870 - 07/05/19 11:33 AM Re: Paypal, privacy [Re: Domina M]
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Registered: 10/31/15
Posts: 127
Loc: California
Originally Posted By Domina M
Does CashApp work in the EU? Venmo is not a thing here.


Unfortunately I don't know...

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#3872 - 07/05/19 01:52 PM Re: Paypal, privacy [Re: second try]
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Registered: 11/02/15
Posts: 838
Loc: Philadelphia
Originally Posted By second try
I use Amazon gift cards. They are seamless and pose no id issues.


You may use them but the Domme may not.

I personally don't use gift cards for payment for my work. I can't pay my mortgage with an Amazon gift card.

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