Do any of you put subs up by means of smothering? How long are they or deprived of oxygen?

Oh, obviously there are two different ways to put a person out, or two main categories. One is a blood type choke and the other is smothering or deprivation of oxygen by means of smothering, bagging, drowning or other similar means!

Knocking out? Choking out? This is totally not what I thought this thread would be about.

I understand this is RACK play, but perhaps I am too old school for this. I "toy" with a subject with breath play, including the pressure on the arteries/veins. I would never do this to a blackout. Over the decades, I have had people faint in session, and that is stressful enough. I've long existed in the grey area of the law and kept myself out of trouble. I'll go ahead and continue that trend.

Well, there are several different ways to put a guy out and we see them in the news or in bdsm videos, often. There is putting a guy out by means of a blood choke such as by scissoring and as seen in dozens and hundreds of vids by "scissorfoxes." There is scissoring and there is putting a guy out in the way that Daniel Penny put out the guy on the NY subway, except that Daniel Penny seems to have done things in a questionable way. But there are dozens of dommes and other knockout women who do this thing. And in addition to scissoring and a rear naked choke, there is smothering till a person is out and there is drowing till a person is out or underwater breath-holding. However, the underwater stuff seems to be made and sold by people who work or are trained as life-guards or first responders, working together with 1 or several female models who are willing to be underwater till they go out and knowing that they should be or will be resuscitated. So there is smothering, underwater holding, scissoring and rear-naked chokeholding. You folks perhaps have simply not seen the vids that much!

On Sunday or a few days ago I saw the movie Last Breath about a deep sea diver who was without oxygen for 29 minutes and brought back to life. The doctors or professionals have no good and sufficient expl as to why he is still alive and without any mental or physical damage, other than that the deep sea and cold temperatures may have interfered with the usual body deterioration! And a few years ago I saw the movie about rescuing the boys in the cave (not the one of the miners who were in some tunnel) or trapped. In order to get them out, the rescuers had to drug the "victims" so they would not struggle or have problems as they were being taken underwater to their rescue!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbfwRbQaDVU

talking to the drug guy about using drugs to effect the rescue of the boys in the cave.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/JbL72KYnN3M

Hahahaha! I also was confused by the subject.



I'm with you on this.

ztrade is clearly an edge player -- or at least fantasizes about it.

I did a session once with someone who mostly did wrestling sessions. We did a role play where she had heard I was telling people I could beat her and she “challenged” me to a match. Within literally 5 seconds she had my neck in a leg scissor. I tapped out instantly or I definitely would have gone out. She released the hold as soon as I tapped.

Not my cup of tea (though that particular session was super hot and fun) but based on the reviews I read on Session Girls, there are a lot of mixed wrestlers who will knock you out if that’s what you want.

Oh and I too was taken aback by the subject line. lol

Wasn't there a lengthy article by well known BDSM educator Jay Wiseman some years ago stating there was totally NO safe way to practice breath play to the point of unconsciousness? I seem to recall him quoting several kink friendly MD's and reputable medical sources about how it was basically playing Russian roulette. You could perform the same activity 10 times exactly the same way and on the 11th the person could die without warning.

Found it...... https://www.evilmonk.org/a/breath.cfm

I enjoy some breath control/breath restriction (face sitting, gas masks. hoods etc) but neck compression or taking to the point of losing consciousness would be a hard no for me.

This is a very important point. I commend you for posting it.

Breath play is one of my Hard Limits.

To put a guy out . . . this is the phrase that Marines and police and others might use about putting a guy unconscious, I think . . . I am not sure what words the rest of the world likes. there is the site cpl wrestling and about half of the vids there including putting out and there is the site scissorfoxes with a lot of putting out by means of blood choking by scissor holds around the neck.

There is our favorite Canadian mistress and a *lot* of her videos include actual or pretend or near putting out! I assume she is simply a lot more adventurous than some of you who are cautious about killing people or putting them out, but in fact, putting a guy out and letting him have oxy pretty quickly seems pretty safe.

One thing I do not know the safety of is putting out by means of head-holding underwater. There are dozens of clips of this at clips4sale, but the question is, Do you need to be a trained lifeguard or emt in order to bring a person back after he or she has taken a breath underwater and gone out? I do not know!

Oh, in terms of a domme putting a guy out for real . . . whether or not she does this or has done this, I have asked of 1 or more dommes, and I see dommes who have said . . .

There are two forms of choking: there is a blood choke and there is air holds or suffocation. Each has a different time to losing consciousness, and there is also drowning and semi-drowning.

They probably have different degrees of safety. There are dozens of the vids at scissorfoxes and yes, some of the things on that site are crazy, crazy, unsafe. But ordinary, basic, putting out!

Should be simple, it seems, but I am not a doctor.

Now that you learn the topic, you watch some TV shows of Roman Empire or other things, and there are assassinations by smothering . . . and the assassinations by smothering are over way too quick, I think!