If and when giving ftt to a guy, has it happened much that you give him enough pain or he is in shock about the pain or torture so that he has more or less broken down on the table or on the cross or whereever he is while being whipped or had candle wax or burning . . . and while he was in a broken down state you force him to eat or forced the s$$t in his mouth? Or, has that happened to you who are subs, and it was a bit of a violation, even if you had asked for ftt beforehand?