IMAO, pre-FOSTA panic and it beoming the "thing to do" to protect yourself from thibgs like mass data gathering was the reason.

I think the reality of FOSTA has set in and most of the negative impacts actually are based on how people and companies acted in the pre-FOSTA panic days than anyone actually being prosecuted or sued under the law.

Asp

(IMAO - In my arrogant opinion)

I use ProtonMail for my (ahem!) "dirty work," but that's a very small volume of e-mail. Sometimes I go two months or more without sending or receiving a message at that address. If I had the volume of mail in ProtonMail that I get on my "real person" account, I'd have a hard time keeping up with all the deletions, junk and spam.

My solution of "don't receive or send a lot of e-mail" works for me, but I can see where it wouldn't work as a business account. I don't know if the paid version gives you the flexibility of multiple folders and self-sorting. I was disappointed that it (the free version) didn't have that feature, but like I say, I don't have enough traffic to warrant the conveniences of my regular mail client.

By the way, I use Thunderbird for my regular e-mail and it works great when it works, but it crashes every few days. As far as I know it hasn't lost any of my mail, but I can't be sure.

And here I thought that meant In my amateur opinion.

I think it was a SESTA/FOSTA reaction.

And the crypto algorithms really are good -- they can't break them. But when you send a message, there are so many links in the chain, and many of the other links are weak. There's your computer or your phone, the operating system, your internet provider, the backbone carriers who route the traffic through the internet, etc.

I mean, as dumb as it sounds, if someone with protonmail is corresponding with a gmail person, they can just serve google with a subpoena for the other person's account.

Google is very secure, although they will comply with the law and honor warrants.

But in the real world a derranged sub or ex is probably more of a threat to a domme than the government, and a gmail account protected by a yubikey is almost certainly more secure than a protonmail account.

I think about Reality Winner a lot. In the time after Snowden made his leaks and was lionized, lots of reporters were setting up secure drops, telling people to use GPG, etc. They told people that if they used those tools they'd be safe. Reality Winner trusted those promises, and she went to jail.

If there's something that's going to put you in jail, or end your marriage, don't do it. If you really feel you must do it, be fucking careful, and don't put blind trust in comptuer security.

We see banks, big companies, governments, political campaigns, getting hacked all the time. Security is hard, and almost no one is very good at it. I'm certainly not.

My understanding (which could be totally wrong) is that if you set the email to be encrypted then it doesn't actually get stored in gmail in a way that gmail can read it either so warrant to them doesn't hurt.

It usually is... But, it was me and I am a professional baby!!!

Oh! That actually makes a lot of sense. Good to know.


And yes, FOSTA/SESTA really did a number on everyone. The fact that they offer a combo with VPN may have been part of the appeal as well.

Or a ProtonMail Account with two-factor (YubiKey or other).

Yes, the encryption uses the password/passphrase, and even if and especially if you reset it you will still not be able to access the data.

However I suspect they insert intentional flaws/back doors, much like has been long suspected for Microsoft's Drive Encryption in order to protect themselves in a worst case scenario.

po

Old School, fat mail client ? I typically prefer cloud now and only use the thick client for work (office 365) Thunderbird to do data migration when I'm moving emails around.

po